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Ok so like a couple weeks ago i indulged in my inner haterism and it made me feel more alive than any drug ever has or could. Unapologetically spewing out my bad takes made me feel like i was meeting god. HOWEVER. one of my points was like "i don't get people who have insanely strong t/b opinions like it is litchrally not that deep." and for the most part i basically stand by that like i'm generally very neutral on a lot of that (ummmm as long as its done right). but i did realise over the course of the next several days (and thanks to a dw post i stumbled across the other day and have since searched tirelessly for and absolutely cannot find again for the life of me) that like i absolutely do have some hashtag problematic obsessions with it in certain ships. Here r those ships.

2min (lee know/seungmin)This was literally what started this because i decided to read skz fic for the first time in agessss and i went straight to 2min because i have stockholm syndrome and like..... ok not to be dramatic but lino would literally go to his grave before letting seungmin top him. I am right about this. And it's not even because he's like, the ultimate top or whatever it's because it's seungmin. like look at their relationship for like three seconds don't look away just look at them. Ok now make eye contact w me. Do u think lino would let seungmin fuck him. Like it is fundamentally at the core of their dynamic don't even argue w me. I do think how strong i feel about this is partially a bleeding over from jaemjen because like jeno is smiley subby puppy and so is seungmin LIKE. dogboy sees dogboy. Jaemjen (in a sexual context) are literally just what would happen if 2min liked or even knew each other.


johnmarkI know this one is easy to ascribe to like age/size/whatever but honestly even setting those things aside it's just them. Mark is so unreasonably obsessed w johnny in a way that johnny doesn't ever seem to fully reciprocate like. Johnny teases mark and likes to embarrass and fluster him whereas mark seems to have this almost untouchable hero-worship level of admiration for johnny. He clearly just thinks that johnny is the absolute coolest person on earth and ok so like. This is a very reductive way of explaining it, but i honestly think the deal is that johnny just. Wouldn't be willing to put in the effort to let mark top him. Like i luvvv johnny but he is so obviously selfish in bed unlike mark who's a total people pleaser (at least he is for johnny). like if they fucked i don't think it would even occur to either of them to do it the other way round.


jaemjenAlready explained the deal w 2min but like ummmmm that is literally how it is. Also think its in no small part just fandom ptsd from like biker bad boy jeno x soft girlfriend pink hair jaemin. I guess as i'm typing this im realising that it's actually not just jaemjen but also renmin like i think jaem is just. Very top. EXCEPT with haech that's one where it could kinda go either way but is fundamentally a thousand times sexier when theyre both tops and everyone is a lil mean to each other. I don't remember what this bullet point was about. NEXT!


dohyuckListen ok i am generally very committed to the haechan switch denomination. Cos i think he possesses attributes of both good top and good bottom. BUT i can feel myself slowly getting dragged into the world of subbottom haech in no small part thanks to this ship. Leaf was like "haechan is objectively a switch but to me he is eternal subbottom" and like this is just that. Ok does this make sense but like. In a dohyuck situation hyuck has very little he can contribute to the dom/top elements and SO MUCH he can for the sub/bottom elements and then doyoung is the opposite. Its simple mafematics luv.


yangtenI think i'm generally more of a top yangyang enjoyer but like. It's this tweet. Like that is litchrally them and i'm not saying it's like. Healthy lmao. But thats the way it isssssss. And like i guess you could do it the other way round but you would have infinitely less fun and at that point why r u even doing it. Something about fuckboy no homo yangyang letting ten fuck him is like.... so beautiful and delightful to me.


Do u think this is proof that i'm like. toxic. actually i don't care because in all of these instances i am literally right. There r probably more because nct has like two hundred and something various shipping combinations but apparently these are the ones i'm willing to go to bat for. Byeeee
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it is currently 02:04 at night and it's warm enough to have the window open and hello future pics dropped today and me and my friends are all going to get pissed tomorrow night. life is good. feels like a very chenji kinda night yknow. nostalgic and summery and earnest and all that.

and today i stumbled across a clip on twt that i'd completely forgotten about where jisung is talking about how his family contacted him after a win and chenle is like oh? that's nice. and jisung says "but you have me :D" and chenle is like ...okay.

made me feel absolutely insane. insane i tell u. reminded me why chenji is one of the absolute best ships in nct ficdom.

chenle and dependencyok so like not to deep dive into chenle’s psyche but the kid clearly has a big problem with being perceived as dependent on others. I think it partially stems from being one of the youngest members (he’s pushed to drop honorifics w most of the other dreamies (to my knowledge?) and said that with some of the 127 hyungs (taeil and jungwoo) they speak informally) and i think that’s bc he really doesn’t want to be seen as the baby of the group. like literally calling himself daddy is obvs part of a running joke (and kink but shhhh u didnt hear it from me) but i think its also about putting himself in a position of pseudo-power. Like sure, he can’t actually be older than mark, jeno etc, but he can play at being older.

also i wanna talk more about this in a post specifically about boys mental camp but the fact that he clearly felt very reliant on renjun for the first 1-2 years in dream have def contributed to it - like no doubt he wants to be seen as completely independent now.

okay so tinhat time. i remember reading once that the way jisung helped chenle practice korean (and in essence ended up teaching him a lot of kr) was just by speaking to him completely normally and waiting for chenle to take the time to piece it together and respond. which doesn’t immediately feel like a big thing, but i think what’s rlly significant is that jisung didn’t dumb things down for him. like, in my experiences of being in a place where i was semi-confident in a language but still couldn’t quite match native speakers - it is so insanely frustrating to be spoken to like a child bc someone was worried about confusing me, and like i get WHY but for somebody like chenle i can see how constantly feeling like people are altering the way they speak to not ~overcomplicate~ it for u would drive u mad. like chenle is clearly incredibly preoccupied with others treating him like an equal, and by just speaking to him normally and being patient, jisung did exactly that !! and i think the fact that they dropped honorifics early on is rlly significant, for a long time in nct jisung was the only person i think he felt fully saw him as an equal, and that’s something v important to him.


contrasting affection stylessomething i think is also rlly interesting about chenji is the contrast between them and shut up i know thats a basic point even chenle has said that theyre complete opposites on chenra but literally let me explain. the way they express affection really differs in that jisung is obviously incredibly heart on sleeve, just absolute earnestness whereas when it comes to affection chenle is a lot more… almost veiled? about it. chenle makes u solve a riddle to figure out that he cares about u is what im trying to say. like there are twelve million instances of jisung being really sincere when he talks about how much chenle means to him, even the very video that prompted me to start writing is so honest and genuine. when he tells chenle that its ok because he has him, he is just saying straight up that he thinks of him as family. hes saying it because he means it.

chenle is not like that. jfc chenle is not like that. hes even said himself that he makes fun of jisung because he likes him - which is obvs a super common thing for those of us who refuse to express genuine emotion - but i think he’s like that when it comes to everyone. just writing from memory, but in his DvD w mark, one of his questions is something like “what does mark think of me/what does mark think i think of him” (i cant remember which but its something along those lines) either way, his way of expressing affection is about getting mark to admit the closeness between them for him. same with that live from last year where he asks jisung to choose between him and sungchan. Like OBVIOUSLY jisung was going to say sungchan bc he wasn’t about to diss the new member in front of hundreds of thousands of people but chenle asking it is clearly his own way of affirming that they’re each other’s person. not saying its healthy thats just how he rolls.


ok i was gonna add a third collapsible but my brain hurts so like just deal pls i beg. i dont really have a tldr also just like damn its hard not to write about chenji without psychoanalysing chenle why does he have to be Like That. still love him tho just pls be slightly less unknowable sometimes. as a treat.
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first dreamwidth post!! if the formatting is abysmal, that's bc i literally have no idea how this platform works i am simply typing into the void and hoping something blinks back. god so anyway renhyuck. i am literally obsessed with them. more importantly, they are absolutely obsessed with each other. these boys are so stupidly whipped. we are all subject to their exhibitionism and every time i get a notification for dream content i let out a very prolonged sigh and go fetch my tinhat that i used to only get out for special occasions. 


this post is less of an analysis or theory and more of a general braindump of my thoughts on renhyuck because i simply have so many. expect absolutely no coherence or structure, just a ramble about renhyuck dynamics because they genuinely make me feel like a zoo animal getting mental enrichment toys every time they have a new Moment™. so here is that.

ok ok so WHY renhyuck. because like, renhyuck have always been a kind of peripheral ship (both in wider nct shipdom and my own canon) like when 6dream were a thing haech and renjun kind of defaulted to each other because thats how the group splits up easily - and we all seemed to have vaguely positive associations with it but now its like. THE dream ship. like i know thats a tall order and i am speaking from a place of bias but the go-to company pairings have kind of been starving us recently, and renhyuck have been by far the most vocal pairing during hot sauce era. my point is, renhyuck went from pretty middling ship to almost mainstream in a little under a year, with SO MANY moments coming from basically the last quarter or so. 

my answer, and honestly THE answer, is just that their dynamic hit a turning point both in how we perceive them as fans, and in how they perceive each other. i think pre-hot sauce, they kind of got viewed as the dream version of dotae - that sort of constantly bickering, light hearted jabs, clowning on and trying to embarrass each other - so they got labelled as the tom and jerry bffs rather than the more In Love ships like nomin and chenji. and to some extent, they’re still like that, like no force on heaven or earth could convince hyuck to stop messing with renjun whenever the opportunity presents itself, however i think it’s definitely changed a little bit. 

like i said at the beginning, they are truly just completely obsessed with one another. and i use the word obsessed because thats exactly what it is - they’re just so… enamored? like, they just pay so much attention to each other. even setting aside the touchy-feely fanserviceisms they constantly feel like theyre always hyperaware of the other. And that’s the thing about how i think the clowning on each other (specifically haech clowning on rj) has changed. I think in the past renjun made a good target bc he’s pretty reactive (aries duh) and would understand that hyuck was just screwing with him and isn’t actually trying to upset him - so add those together and clowning on renjun = good source of entertainment for the members + the camera. so now hyuck is still messing with renjun, except this bitch is so obviously doing it for renjun specifically. like, he cares about entertaining the others but he is far more concerned with entertaining renjun. off the top of my head, i automatically go to that backstage clip where he’s pretending they don’t know each other and he’s like “so you’re renjeon?” and rj is like “no its JUN” and nobody else (cept the camera) is there and he’s not trying to embarrass him in front of the other members he just knows that renjun hates having his name mispronounced and plays into that. like i am absolutely not the first person to draw parallels with pulling pigtails but yeah that’s exactly it. he wants attention and specifically renjuns attention and the clowning is the best way to get that.

and renjun. i have not forgotten about you. you are also stupidly whipped. like yknow how i said renjun is super reactive and that’s why he’s a good target for hyuck’s nonsense? he is also super reactive in that i have never watched anybody be more transparent about their heart eyes. its actually kind of impressive. 

renjun literally acts like haechan is the funniest, smartest person of all time, and like yeah i get that deservedly so but the boy seems to have completely given up on trying to pretend otherwise. i think that generally dream (and nct. and the entire world) tend to go along with whatever hyuck wants to do because he takes on a very naturally socially dominant persona and everyone recognises that the conversation is just better to take part in (and to watch) if haechan is cajoling the others into some nonsense. but whilst everyone else goes along with him because of that reasoning, renjun just seems to enjoy hyuck speaking SO MUCH? haechan is obsessed with teasing, and renjun is obsessed with being teased. It’s like balancing out the eco system or something

and that’s why they make me want to hurtle directly into the sun, because other dynamics are good, yeah. vaguely one-sided (i’ll save that for another time) johnmark? great. literal opposite halves fated to be together chenji? love it. but i seriously don’t think theres another ship of two people who just seem to ENJOY each other so much. like just completely tunnel vision, i-turn-to-this-person-whenever-something-funny-happens, heart eyes nonsense. 

so renhyuckisms. ok so technically anything renhyuck do counts as a renhyuckism bc tinhattery but i must unpack the specific renhyuckisms that i think could probably kill me if they happened frequently enough so please bear.

so obviously renhyuck do A LOT of fanservice because kpop but like something something a trace of the true self remains in the false self. like objectively it is fanservice but not all fanservice has to be lee soo man behind the camera with a gun telling them to hold hands. i would even go so far as to say that sometimes it comes from a place of genuine affection. sometimes it can be because they just wanted to do that, even. sounds crazy, i know. my point is, if there was some kind of quota to be met for the amount of fanservice they had to do, renhyuck passed that point about twelve back hugs ago. but the different ways the two of them approach fanservice is like SO GOOD let me explain.

so as we know haech is a literal insane person and has taken to spending every single vlive infringing upon renjun’s personal space and it’s honestly pretty par for the course for him, since i think a big part of an idolsona is whatever role they take in ships. like, in basically every mainstream pairing, winwin is the awkward object of affection, ten is the hyper-flirty one making the other flustered, chenle is super forward and teasing etc etc. in almost every hyuck ship, he seems to take the role of the pursuer - he initiates fanservice, he gets all pouty and needy, he gushes over the other one, and like he absolutely still takes on this role in renhyuck HOWEVER what’s different is the way in renhyuck he seems genuinely incapable of having a taste of his own medicine. and thats like, the best trope ever. haech loves going on about how cute renjun is and getting all whiny when he wants attention but when renjun initiates it??? when haechan goes from the pursuer to the pursued??? he’s INSUFFERABLE. like fidgeting with his hands, blushing, not making eye contact levels of ridiculousness. i am of course specifically thinking about the elbow kiss because he’s SO CONFIDENT when holding up his arm and then renjun actually DOES IT and it’s like, oh?? thought you wanted his attention?? why suddenly so quiet?? yeah that’s what i thought.

i don’t have a category for this but i want to briefly mention the foot volleyball episode of 7llin because it is genuinely 20 solid minutes of renhyuckisms and also jisung is having a panic attack in the background but it’s good hes fine.

so hyuck is renjun’s jock boyfriend and that is the end of that sentence because applying boyfriend and [GUNSHOTS] labels to renhyuck on here gets you literally crucified apparently but like. he is. that is what they r

this game is so life changing bc it just shows why renhyuck works so well like. obviously the combination of the two of them being on the same team and hypercompetitive and screaming bloody murder at the umpire uwu. fucking insane couples work man. BUT ALSO renjun did not want to play that game like renjun does not care about sports he does not give a single fuck about whether the ball is out he could have just traded with jisung but he fucking played because haechan wanted his guy on his team !! and that’s his guy !! renjun fucking tried ok man!! that’s love!! when renjun pretends to get hurt and is like “i can’t do it anymore” and hyuck is like “one more?” and rj is immediately like “okay<3” they r just sooooo.

also haech spends the entire time keeping rj involved like both he and jeno are clearly better at the game but haech keeps passing to him and getting him to serve and doing little skits with him because he knows rj is putting in the effort too and like am i absolutely reading way too much into a volleyball game for the sake of my renhyuck tunnel vision? yes. but also it is not my fault that theyre in love sorry


god so that’s like the briefest overview of the brainspace renhyuck takes up for me which is in all honesty a frightening amount. i could go into idolsonas and possessiveness and renhyuck versus other ships but i think the high is wearing off and i’m starting to remember where i am so like. overall to sum up in conclusion my thesis statement is that renhyuck whipped.

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